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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Oct 27, 2012 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

This was one of my last shows (the next night and the great Dec 1973 Cleveland shows being it), and, in retrospect, maybe the worst I'd seen. They were just off their game. The next night was better (and the 1973 show was great, featuring the longest DS if you take the drum solo out of Rotterdam).

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 27, 2012 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

I'm so envious of you being at that Cleveland show! Any recollections? Photos? How did the crowd respond to that crazy Star?

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 27, 2012 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

Seconded. Absoultely one of my favorites of the year and possibly all time as well...

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Oct 27, 2012 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

I also recall the omnipresent bottle of Heineken on Phil's amp.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 27, 2012 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

There was an interview in Boston '73 where Weir was asked how many Heinekens Phil had gone through in a show, and Weir guessed about eleven. (Others thought it was merely four.)
Phil's drinking was widely noticed at the time... Some reviewers of the 11/14/73 show remember that Phil was so drunk he had to sit in a chair through the second set! (It might also have something to do with his big feedback-space obsession in Dec '73.)

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Oct 27, 2012 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

He went through quite a few. Didn't share, though.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 28, 2012 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

Jerry noticed. He questioned Phil's participation in one of the interventions the band did on his behalf given his history of drinking.

Now I know why I never liked those late 73 meltdowns, and couldn't understand anybody who did. Too drunk to stand? Nice. Never heard that one.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 28, 2012 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

Hmm, that's funny. Those late '73 meltdowns are some of my favorite things they ever did! The rest of the band must've liked them too, considering they kept returning to the big feedback episodes through December.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 28, 2012 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

Oh, I'm aware they have their fans, and many. Just not me.
I remember Dick saying- in response to why not 12/18 instead of 12/19 for the first DP release- that he just loved the 12/19 meltdown.
For me, compared to the earlier explorations of the post-Pig lineup, say fall '72 and spring '73, the late fall '73 stuff sounds like a road weary band that was maybe privy to too much coke. Too wired. Clearly some of the subtlety and delicate nature of their musical conversations weren't as present. Now that I understand the Phil alcohol thing (I always thought The Heineken Years didn't commence until more mid & late-seventies) it all makes even more sense.
And so too why '73 and '74 gets such short shrift in his book. He was plowed!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 28, 2012 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

You might like this post, it raises some similar points:
http://moderndeadhead.blogspot.com/2011/07/grateful-dead-november-december-1973.html

Personally I don't see how 12/2 or 12/6/73, to name two, sound like over-wired, road-weary music; but we all have different ears!

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 28, 2012 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

I did like it. Thanks for the link.

As said with regard to the deteriorating relationships between roadies and union locals back then, 'systemic issues' may have been involved in some of the dynamics of late '73 shows.
I like how he noted Phil getting louder each night as the evening wore on. Sounds about right for a guy teeing up another Heiny every fifteen minutes!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Oct 27, 2012 6:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

My recollection is that I sat on the lip of the balcony. My date had never seen the Dead and commented that Bob's intro on China Cat was "cute." The Star was marvelously spacy and seemed endless. I hadn't heard "Eyes" or "Stella" live and was quite blown away. It was a good place to end my time on the bus.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Oct 27, 2012 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

Are you kidding me - how could walk away after seeing that?
Not like you had a crystal ball

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 27, 2012 5:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

I don't know if he stayed in Ohio, but the Dead didn't play Ohio again for 3 years, til Sep '76.

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Oct 28, 2012 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

whew! now that's a decent reason, other than being overseas in the military. I can't grok any deadhead NOT seeing the GD...at least thru the 70's.

My excuse is that my first show was on 10/9/76

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Oct 27, 2012 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1972

well they just wern't the same after Pigpen left! :P

I've met a few